tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post1273179142392061459..comments2023-10-17T07:11:55.947-04:00Comments on Pandora Machine Blog: Backup SoundAndrew Bellwarehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05718623679244389126noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post-75821152214244245132015-11-08T22:02:29.688-05:002015-11-08T22:02:29.688-05:00Look, my blog keeps making ME prove I'm not a ...Look, my blog keeps making ME prove I'm not a robot. I think the AI is just trying to get us all inured to the idea that there are robots among us so we don't notice when we're suddenly their servants.<br /><br />Yeah, he doesn't mean that there won't be one successful recording, he just means you're going to blow one of the rolls. And in the very specific instance he means -- which is where you're using like a Cooper mixer which has a switch to roll recorders on it -- it could, in theory, be catastrophic. <br /><br />Making DM&E's is so, ever so much easier to do with ADR. So much easier. I think TV uses most of their original dialog. But the lighting people on big-budget movies just don't care and but really obnoxious ballasts and generators everywhere. Andrew Bellwarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05718623679244389126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post-72337778103167312162015-11-08T21:49:30.885-05:002015-11-08T21:49:30.885-05:00Still doesn't make any sense. Your success at ...Still doesn't make any sense. Your success at getting sound is only based on your chances of 1 sound recorder working. If you use 2 recorders, you have DOUBLED your chances at getting a successful recording, not doubled your chances of one failing. <br /><br />I mean, let's say you MUST have a radio playing at all times. Would you say putting out 2 radios doubles your chances of having no radio playing? That's essentially what he's saying.<br /><br />I also hear a lot of lip service about big budgets replacing 100% of their dialogue, but I would bet that's mostly bullshit. I'm sure a lot of it is(and I'm sure they DO ADR the whole thing just to have it), but they spend way too much time/money on original recording to not use it. <br /><br />WHY DOES YOUR BLOG KEEP MAKING ME PROVE I'M NOT A ROBOT? WHO'S SPREADING THIS VICIOUS RUMOR THAT I'M A ROBOT?Kangashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306092145547452231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post-52395234703540559542015-11-07T09:23:22.548-05:002015-11-07T09:23:22.548-05:00He means that if two recorders are used, the odds ...He means that if two recorders are used, the odds are twice as likely to have *one* failure. He doesn't mean they'll both fail. And if you're using a system which auto-rolls a backup then yeah, oof, it gets worse. <br />This is advice primarily for the professional production sound mixer, not really us no-budget guys doing everything on a shoestring. <br />And big-budget, again, the ADR can sound pretty good. Lots of these movies have about 100% of their dialog replaced. But it is a big ol' pain in the tuchus.Andrew Bellwarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05718623679244389126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post-58408902447305985592015-11-07T02:57:00.554-05:002015-11-07T02:57:00.554-05:00I dunno--this logic makes no sense: "It’s sim...I dunno--this logic makes no sense: "It’s simple math: If two recorders are being used, you are twice as likely to have a recorder failure. "<br /><br />It's like saying if you have 2 pilots on a plane, your chances of crashing are double. That's ridiculous. Your chances of success are double if you have two recorders. The odds of the SAME problem occurring in 2 separate devices is slim.<br /><br />And you're nuts--looping is NEVER as good as original sound. Not only does it never perfectly match, but it's nigh impossible to get the same performance as your actors originally gave...Kangashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306092145547452231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post-33458334151971820752015-11-05T22:29:32.542-05:002015-11-05T22:29:32.542-05:00There at the end of the article he puts forth a ca...There at the end of the article he puts forth a caveat about a "failsafe" recorder -- one that's running all the time, as a reasonable backup. <br /><br />Still, as a production sound mixer, I totally see his point that *rolling* a backup causes more problems than it solves. <br /><br />That said I'd TOTALLY rather loop. ;-)Andrew Bellwarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05718623679244389126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-784279851937190132.post-64744274881360960922015-11-05T21:18:12.241-05:002015-11-05T21:18:12.241-05:00I don't agree. On my last two shoots(segment f...I don't agree. On my last two shoots(segment for Terrortory) I ran a backup and just let it run. Granted, going through the 8 hour audio take and chopping it into individual takes is a LOT of work, but not as much work as foleying/looping later--and we all know looping is NEVER perfect...Kangashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05306092145547452231noreply@blogger.com